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Mages and raiding. - Zoia - 02-10-2009
It may look as if arcane got a nerf in 3.0.9 but for pve its still strong. We lost our 2 minute evoc which is a fairly large nerf but for the most part our damage is about the same if it didn't go up. I recommend that you switch your arcane power glyph to a arcane missles glyph, i still dont know about using mage armor > moltan armor though. Most of our fights dont last more then 3 - 4 minutes so we should be fine with using moltan armor and not having mana issues.
Re: Mages and raiding. - ArchmageFurly in three days - 02-10-2009
The nerf was primarily targeted at the retarded burst via arcane power/pom in pvp, but at the same time they sought to keep the pve abilities of arcane at the same level, else they'd basically just be nullifying the idea behind their last patch. Zoia's correct in recommending switching to the AM glyph as with only 5ppm of missle barrage with a 30% crit chance(Much less than all of us have raiding anyways) it provides a higher dps increase than the AP glyph.
As for mana questions, they won't be much of a concern until Ulduar, and until ptr opens up it's tough to say to what degree, as there's a chance that there will be a lot of time during bosses spent on phase transitions, and a few vehicle fights, which would work in Arcane's favor. Since 3.1 is also the patch focusing on mana regeneration as well, the encounter team is working on balancing the fight to the changes, and Arcane's mana efficiency will certainly be brought up at that point. Spirit Bolt has been hinted at, and would fall well into their claim of making spirit an "interesting" stat for magi. Or they might simply buff the "burst" (I add it in quotations because then that would lead to more pvp balancing) of arcane so that mana dumping and conservation rotations become more distinguished from each other. Another thing to consider is that with the replenishment effect of frost being buffed, perhaps having a utility Frost mage, much like a shadow priest, in the raid would drastically help Arcane, and it would do it better than a fire-mage would as they keep the 10% crit but add the mana regeneration.
Re: Mages and raiding. - Firecrest - 02-10-2009
GLADIATOR ZOIA HAS SPOKEN
Re: Mages and raiding. - Frostitude - 02-10-2009
Well evo is still 2 min CD, only difference is AP went from 30% to 20% but CD reduced from 2 min to 1.4 and PoM can't be used for the first 10 seconds of AP but it can still be used with about 7 seconds left of AP. If anything seems more of a buff.
Re: Mages and raiding. - ArchmageFurly in three days - 02-10-2009
Frostitude Wrote:Well evo is still 2 min CD, only difference is AP went from 30% to 20% but CD reduced from 2 min to 1.4 and PoM can't be used for the first 10 seconds of AP but it can still be used with about 7 seconds left of AP. If anything seems more of a buff.
It is a pve buff, the idea was to nerf all the 0-skill 2.2k arcane mages.
Re: Mages and raiding. - Kaistine - 02-10-2009
ArchmageFurly Wrote:Frostitude Wrote:Well evo is still 2 min CD, only difference is AP went from 30% to 20% but CD reduced from 2 min to 1.4 and PoM can't be used for the first 10 seconds of AP but it can still be used with about 7 seconds left of AP. If anything seems more of a buff.
It is a pve buff, the idea was to nerf all the 0-skill 2.2k arcane mages.
ZOIA
Re: Mages and raiding. - Thorran - 02-11-2009
ArchmageFurly Wrote:It is a pve buff, the idea was to nerf all the 0-skill 2.2k arcane mages.
Too bad Meeks already quit.
Re: Mages and raiding. - Masex - 02-11-2009
Except they stealth nerfed ArBar, so arcane PvE got shit on. Thanks PvP.
Re: Mages and raiding. - Zoia - 02-11-2009
we did fine dps last night even with the coefficient nerf
Re: Mages and raiding. - Sanderz - 02-12-2009
i started reading furly's post but then i decided ej would have less bullshit to go through than that