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attendance, in general
#1
- if you're going to be absent or late, please post on the forums. don't just tell a random someone, since they'll forget and no one else will know.

- it's great that we had like 30 people show up at raid start today. even if you don't get an invite at the start of the raid or get sat mid raid, please stick around on vent or on an alt or otherwise be contactable. it's inevitable that people will lose power/lag out/have to afk/have to leave early/etc and that we'll have to replace people, so we appreciate it if you can stick around and step in when someone needs to be replaced.

ps, crucible make sure people that are hanging around ready to step in get their dkp
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#2
Class leaders help hold players accountable for their attendance as well and should have replacements prepared for when players are absent or suddenly must leave.
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#3
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#4
Yeah, losing my patience with the attendance thing. It isn't hard to make a post. If you tell some random person you won't be there, chances are they'll forget because they don't really care.

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Protocol dictates that you make a new topic or people wont see it.
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#6
People not giving warning when they're not showing up is not the problem. It's a problem, to be sure, but not the problem. The problem is people not showing up in the first place. I’m pretty guilty of this myself as of late. And I suspect that most peoples’ reasons are probably fairly near to my own. Wiping on this fight for five months is not fun. Especially given that we’ve had pretty much zero progression that wasn’t washed away the next week. Personally, I am done putting a gaming experience that I no longer enjoy above my family, friends and social life. So whenever a decision arises between RL and WoW, I will be picking RL every time.

Given our complete lack of lasting progression, we need to seriously consider whether or not this fight is within our capability as the guild stands. There is a very good chance that we have less than two months before 4.0 hits. We can bitch and moan about the cause of the problem, but right now the important part is the very real chance that the problem will not be fixed in time for the expansion. I honestly am not at all convinced that this kill is plausible before it becomes obsolete. Once 4.0 hits, the likelihood of us getting the kill before the expansion is pretty much zero. Too much is changing and there just won’t be time for people to relearn their classes to the degree necessary to kill such a difficult boss. I suggest we seriously consider giving up on this fight and putting some time in on HM RS. The fight is supposedly much easier, the loot is much better and it will be fresh content that will at least be new and exciting. Alternately, we can drop to a one night raid week and just chill in a holding pattern until the expansion. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind either of these ideas.

In regards to WL DKP:

WL DKP is given to people who are ready and available the entire raid night. If you sign on, are not chosen to raid and decide to go do something else, there is nothing wrong with that – just do not expect to get WL DKP. Last night, there were a good number of extra people at the start of raid. However, when we needed people to cover AFKs or computer issues, no one was around. No one that signed up for WL DKP last night would have received any.

That said, no one would have gotten any WL DKP last night anyhow due to the fact nothing died. WL DKP in this guild has always been 5 DKP per boss kill. I am considering revising it to more properly compensate people who sign up for WL on a progression night. I could give them like half of the timed awards that the raid gets or set WL DKP as a standard amount of X DKP per full raid night. I’m open to suggestions on this one.
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#7
wait list dkp that isnt identical to actual dkp is retarded

whats the point of staying available if you dont get a damned thing? if you have to be ready at a moments notice you deserve the same dkp. What is the incentive? Not to mention i was sitting on vent and ingame and never once got an invite or was even asked to fill in FYI

but either way a decision needs to be made onto which to focus on
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#8
lawlerbation Wrote:if you have to be ready at a moments notice you deserve the same dkp.
^^^^^
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#9
Firecrest Wrote:Especially given that we’ve had pretty much zero progression that wasn’t washed away the next week.
because of attendance. see us not getting into p3 yesterday after not pulling at all last week, even though we were wiping to frostmourne before that.

Firecrest Wrote:There is a very good chance that we have less than two months before 4.0 hits.
if cata comes out in nov, we probably only have until some time in oct before 4.0 drops to make a kill before it becomes irrelevant (or at least incomparable to a pre-4.0 kill). that's all the more reason we should try to make a good push before then.

Firecrest Wrote:Last night, there were a good number of extra people at the start of raid. However, when we needed people to cover AFKs or computer issues, no one was around.
but they were around. we probably need a more organized way to keep track of who's around and ready but not in raid. it could be something like a waitlist channel in game (boot people that aren't waitlisting), or just keeping them in group 6-8 (my pref option, honestly, just set your raid frames to ignore 6-8)
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#10
Complaining about lack of attendance AND waitlist dkp in the same thread is blowing my mind.
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