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WHAR APPLICATION TEMPLATE PLZ HALp
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I never saved my application template, if anybody has it backed up somewhere :?
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OWNED RET OWNED
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1. Your in-game name (and alts): Ecarr, no alts I play frequently.
2. Class, spec, profs, and off specs you have gear for (include resistance sets): Paladin, Protection, 375 Mining/Skinning(can drop skinning if necessary), Fire Resist set
3. Armory links (a must):http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nathrezim&n=Ecarr
4. Any WWS links to your performance in a raid (recommended):
5. We are a Sunwell raiding guild and have been farming Hyjal and Black Temple for several months; it is expected you have full Hyjal and Black Temple experience and know all Sunwell fights. What is your raid experience: 12/12, 2/2, 5/6, 4/4, 4/5 MH, 3/9 BT with some BB attempts
6. Previous guilds/servers and reason for leaving: Gore- I never got to raid, joined the guild for raiding purposes. Body Pull- Fell Apart. Eradication- Stopped raiding. Vindication- A fine set of people, but we can no longer fill any raid, and a 2 raid a week schedule is lighter than I'd like.

7. It is assumed you will be available from 6-10 ST Sunday through Thursday for Sunwell, if you can’t please explain why you couldn't make our scheduled raid times: I can make them.

8. Explain what puts you at the top, we raid to be at the top and expect it of all our members. Do you take pride in topping meters, never letting the tank die, never pulling aggro, etc.? What seperates you from the rest? be specific this will be a major indicator of the kind of player you are! I'm a very aware person, I've done research into my class and know it very well, and I'm not a retard that stands in the fire. I tank things. Nothing really else to say.

It is required you bring full consumables to every raid; that includes food buffs, 2 elixirs or a flask, oils or stones, drums, and enough pots for the entire night. And of course fully repaired and ready to go when invites are out.

It is required you use the best gems and get the best enchants on your gear; endgame raiders should not have any green gems, cheap or no enchants, and/or incorrect stats for your class. If you can’t take the time to buy an epic gem or research what stats you should use, then you don’t belong raiding endgame. I have the def ench and 2 def gems just to break cap, once I find enough def to break 490 without them I'll drop them.

You also must have a decent computer, decent internet connection, and not have any lag/FPS issues. We also use Ventrillo during raids and speak English, it is necessary that you use Vent, a microphone, and be able to effectively communicate during raids. Omen, DBM/Big Wigs, and Pally Power (for Paladins) are REQUIRED. A unit/raid frame addon (such as Grid or Xperl), a stat tracker (such as Recount), and a decursive are highly recommended. Might get a FPS issue from time to time, but that's because my computer essentially is running 24/7.

9. A screenshot of your UI will help us consider you. Image
10. If you have thoroughly answered the following questions and are confident you are what we are looking for, you have a good chance of being ginvited, but we'd like to know why you want to join us? What made you choose us over the other guilds out there? (only part Abec cares about) I like you guys because you all seem to have working minds, a good sense of humor, and run good raids with progression as a focus. You guys balance the fun with progression, and I really thing that's cool.

12. Add anything else you think we’d find interesting (such as you’re a GM, you recorded WWS for your old guild, you were an officer or did assignments in a past guild, you are Kalgan’s alt, or anything else worth noting).

13. WHAR LEWTS PLZ HALp is a fun time guild that's comments and nature can offend people if taken personally, although we commit to teamwork and never intentionally intend to upset a player it occasionally happens. We can and most likely will be critical of your performance, your gear, your application, your spec, your voice, your gender, your race, your old guild, etc. so we must ask if you are easily offended by harsh criticism and/or obscenities? and YOU'VE BEEN WARNED! Ya.

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To be completely blunt, last night was a disaster...probably the worst raid night we have had since "the merge". We go from 3 bosses in 1 night last week to BARELY getting 1. It's sad that we spend 4 hours on Kale only to replace 2 people and then 1 shot him. Was it 2 peoples fault that we wiped for 5 hours? I don't know that for sure, but the truth of the matter is we have less than 2 months left until the expansion hits and we have a reality to face, some people just aren't good at this game and/or don't give a fuck enough to show up and/or perform. Whatever the case may be, I don't want those people in the guild. You have these next 7 or so weeks to prove yourself to the raiders in this guild that do show up, that do bring their A game every single night because once this expansion is released, there will be cuts made. SnD has always been the top Alliance guild (after TheCore!) so it's not only sad but extremely difficult for veteran members seeing our guild in it's current state. The people that show up every night, that consistently perform...these are the only people I care about, period. The rest of you that show up just planning to squeeze by and get some loot are a disgrace to this guild tag and the game itself as an "end game raider" and quite frankly disgust and piss me off that you would be ok with wasting everyone elses time. We've put up with a lot of people's bullshit to get by week after week as there really isn't any options in recruiting these days (especially cross-server) but when WotLK gets here, you and your bullshit are no longer needed. The guild doesn't need you to level to 80 and run 5 mans, 10 mans or even 25 mans. With the changes made to raid comps, there is no longer a need to bring in people that are terrible just because they provide a certain buff or debuff and it's really going to make the dedicated and GOOD players shine since they'll ALWAYS have a spot in the raid now.

A top raiding guild should only need to have maybe 40 or so people in it because no one would be a liability...you have 25 for a raid then equally good players that can rotate in when people would like a night off or are on vacation, etc. I'm not saying we are cutting down to 40 people or anything, just making a general statement leading into the fact that the guild as it currently stands has a ridiculous number of people in it, 175 players with 110 accounts. I've said this over and over and everyday I have been getting more and more frustrated tells about it, but this whole friend thing makes no sense. WoW has friends lists, the ability to send tells and even make your own private channels, people's friends walking around with our guild tag really serves no purpose other than to clog the roster and fill guild chat with useless, often annoying and distracting chatter. I have no problems with RAIDERS having alts in the guild as they actually have a purpose for it and need to be able to read guild chat, etc.

The entire point to this post is that everyone should be giving it everything they have every single night. I shouldn't ever have to make a post stating something like this. It's implied that you do this as you are an end game raider, you should never have to be told to show up, you should never be begged to focus, pop consumables, pay attention or one of the hundreds of things we have to constantly bitch about every night as we wipe on farm bosses for hours. It's far beyond ridiculous at this point and quite frankly the hand holding is over. If you don't perform, you're done. If you don't show up, you're gone. If you can't stay online, you're replaced. People that do have pride in what we do and give it their all every night are sick of nights like last night, they happen too far often and I am one of those people.Herrm

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by Minibrent on Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:34 pm

Herrm's gonna go Hitler on us, you know what that means..

Seriously though, I think our biggest problem yesterday was people's lack awarness of the entire encounter. The usage of space was horrible, 3-4 people were standing 1 yard from someone, with 20 yards of free space on their other side.... YOU NEED TO USE THE EMPTY SPACE BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE GETS PORTED IT DOES 6k DAMAGE AOE AND WILL KILL EVERYONE NEARBY IF YOU DONT! Wasting that empty space causes wipes.

I just hope people spend more time reading into fights other than just what their specific roll is. Maybe we need to quiz people who haven't seen some fights what they need to do in certain situations before they get a raid invite. Whoever scores highest gets in the raid.Minibrent


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by Romocop on Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:51 pm

Minibrent wrote:
I just hope people spend more time reading into fights other than just what their specific roll is. Maybe we need to quiz people who haven't seen some fights what they need to do in certain situations before they get a raid invite. Whoever scores highest gets in the raid.

I lol'd just a little bit about the quiz idea, interesting though and would probably actually work.

On a serious note, we SHOULD NEVER FUCKING EVER have had to be handholding in the first place, this was a luxury many have taken advantage of do to our need of people and our want of being able to raid. But as Herrm, said this has come to an end so to those of you that still believe you require this luxury, better pick up your Game and FAST.Romocop

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by Raven on Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:55 pm

in my defence my shit raid atendance has never ben a choice it just bad timin with work ie having to go 10 mins before raid is over or being 10 mins late not because a lack of dedicationRaven


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by trip on Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:08 pm

Minibrent wrote:
Herrm's gonna go Hitler on us, you know what that means..

Seriously though, I think our biggest problem yesterday was people's lack awarness of the entire encounter. The usage of space was horrible, 3-4 people were standing 1 yard from someone, with 20 yards of free space on their other side.... YOU NEED TO USE THE EMPTY SPACE BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE GETS PORTED IT DOES 6k DAMAGE AOE AND WILL KILL EVERYONE NEARBY IF YOU DONT! Wasting that empty space causes wipes.

I just hope people spend more time reading into fights other than just what their specific roll is. Maybe we need to quiz people who haven't seen some fights what they need to do in certain situations before they get a raid invite. Whoever scores highest gets in the raid.


Quiz? Are you fucking serious?

I'm sorry, but in case you didn't notice, we are not "Unity Clan" or "Silent Affliction". There is a certain level most of us expect every member and trial to preform at, so if they need us to fucking take time out of the raid to "quiz" them on the encounter then they need to raid somewhere else.

There are plenty of other raiding guilds on Nathrezim, so if you cant make our raids times, cant preform, or cant stay online, I suggest seeking one of them out.trip

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by Meekslol on Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:58 am

class leads need to show more responsibility for their class. Its your responsibility to recruit people who cant think on their own and not suck, but if you don't have that luxury, you need to micromanage them and explain every part of the encounter to minimize sucking. I should not be the one telling Fossil or Dap they need to stop dying, thats shaman cl and warrior cl's job, but i never see them say anything about it. Ideally we shouldnt need to micromanage, but with the quality of raiders at the moment, we have to.

partially related to above, when you sign up to be cl you also sign up to be the one who benches the players that arent good, i dont see this happening often enough. Nobody wants to be that asshole who removes the player from raid, no matter how bad they are doing.

lastly, our raids are run very inefficiently in regards to progress. after every wipe, we should figure out what happened, and how to tune strategy to help it out. We cant pull 30 times and hope to get lucky. When you wipe to a boss, you should immediately pick out the problem and make adjustments. It should not takes us 5 attempts per adjustment. We would progress 5 times faster if it was 1 wipe per adjustment. Some fights there isnt that much you can do about the wipe, such as brutallus bad luck non dodges. BUt for almost everything else, there is something that can be done to streamline the encounter and to make the encounter easier to deal with.Meekslol

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by Gurr on Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:32 pm

Ehh blame the cl's all you want but don't talk about what you know nothing about, just because YOU don't see them say it in raid does not mean we don't talk with our class. Also you want us to replace bad players but tell me this who are we suppose to trade them out with as most of the time we have NO one to bring in, our waitlist consists of rogues and maybe 1 mage. At this point in time there is really no recruiting that will happen to replace the people we have with the Xpan coming so soon no one wants to join a guild that wipes on farm content especially ones that are already geared. At this point either people have to pull their head out of their asses or we won't kill KJ before wrath.Gurr

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by Kobu on Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:13 pm

Well considering what's been said here, I'm giving my notice now. I'm probably going to be cutting back my playing time when expansion hits. Leveling and doing 5 mans and stuff will probably be good for me since it will require minimal time coordination with other people, and allow me to do other things during the week. However, once things settle and people want to start raiding 10-25 mans I don't think I will go 5 nights of raiding a week again, it just requires too much time commitment. Since we have seemingly no intermediate raiding level, I may have to step down, and find another place that better fits my schedule, but we'll see how things play out. Till then however, I am going to give my best to seeing us down KJ.Kobu

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by waoran on Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:55 pm

I'm in it to win.

What Minibrent was getting at I think was setting an expectation that people know their shit before they come to a raid. This expectation should be implied by the fact that 1) You're raiding, and 2) We're going after the last and toughest two bosses of the game.

SnD as is right now, although I've been here all of a week with a total of less than two raids under my belt, close to the goal of 6/6 Sunwell before the expansion. The timeline we find ourselves on is not impossible.

Whoever attends a raid without first knowing everything they can learn before even seeing the boss in game should be made aware that it is likely you who is holding the others back. The 22+ other people do more work than you and you hold them back. So therefore fuck you; try harder or leave.

If you cant play your class and perform your raid role better than 99/100 random people of the same class, you need to improve or just admit you don't make the cut.

Could go on a lot further but it's just more cowbell. I feel out of place for making comments like these to a guild I'm new to, but I know what it takes to win and I hope this message reaches those whom need it.waoran

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by Pllague on Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:58 am

Herrm wrote:
A top raiding guild should only need to have maybe 40 or so people in it because no one would be a liability...you have 25 for a raid then equally good players that can rotate in when people would like a night off or are on vacation, etc. I'm not saying we are cutting down to 40 people or anything, just making a general statement leading into the fact that the guild as it currently stands has a ridiculous number of people in it, 175 players with 110 accounts. I've said this over and over and everyday I have been getting more and more frustrated tells about it, but this whole friend thing makes no sense. WoW has friends lists, the ability to send tells and even make your own private channels, people's friends walking around with our guild tag really serves no purpose other than to clog the roster and fill guild chat with useless, often annoying and distracting chatter. I have no problems with RAIDERS having alts in the guild as they actually have a purpose for it and need to be able to read guild chat, etc.

Exodus-Kel'thuzad (US rank #1 and world rank #5) has 235 guild members. thats 60 more than SnD has and they have about 40 raiders. the guild chat is just like ours because im in it alot of the time. this statement has nothing to do with anything. a guild can have 40 raiders and and 190+ friends/alts and still kill kil'jaedon no problem. i think its just a pathetic excuse to get by the fact that we suck.
Pllague wrote:
Herrm wrote:
A top raiding guild should only need to have maybe 40 or so people in it because no one would be a liability...you have 25 for a raid then equally good players that can rotate in when people would like a night off or are on vacation, etc. I'm not saying we are cutting down to 40 people or anything, just making a general statement leading into the fact that the guild as it currently stands has a ridiculous number of people in it, 175 players with 110 accounts. I've said this over and over and everyday I have been getting more and more frustrated tells about it, but this whole friend thing makes no sense. WoW has friends lists, the ability to send tells and even make your own private channels, people's friends walking around with our guild tag really serves no purpose other than to clog the roster and fill guild chat with useless, often annoying and distracting chatter. I have no problems with RAIDERS having alts in the guild as they actually have a purpose for it and need to be able to read guild chat, etc.

Exodus-Kel'thuzad (US rank #1 and world rank #5) has 235 guild members. thats 60 more than SnD has and they have about 40 raiders. the guild chat is just like ours because im in it alot of the time. this statement has nothing to do with anything. a guild can have 40 raiders and and 190+ friends/alts and still kill kil'jaedon no problem. i think its just a pathetic excuse to get by the fact that we suck.

Where in this quote did I say that having alts/friends in the guild was an excuse that we suck? Yeah....I didn't. The ONLY reason we suck is because of some people that are considered raiders and therefore we rely on that either A) just really aren't good at this game B) don't show up C) don't care about raiding and/or the guild. The title of this thread is "guild changes", not "excuses why we suck".Herrm

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by Pllague on Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:36 am

ok then what did u imply by saying we need to cut back on the amount of people in the guild? feeling the need to look professional in a video game. yea thats a bit to far dont ya think?Pllague

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by Herrm on Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:44 am

Pllague wrote:
ok then what did u imply by saying we need to cut back on the amount of people in the guild? feeling the need to look professional in a video game. yea thats a bit to far dont ya think?

How many things are you trying to make up today? First it was that I said the reason for the guild sucking is due to alts/friends...which I never said or implied. Now it's that I'm trying to look professional in a video game, another thing I never said or implied. How about taking the time to read what I post instead of going off and making shit up? The reason for the alt/friend thing was explained in the quote. Not only was it explained, I also said in that post things like "I'm not saying we are cutting down to 40 people or anything", nor is anything at all figured out or set in stone. This is addressing feelings and concerns (feelings/concerns that people bring up to me and that I am in agreement with) from actual raiders that contribute something to this guild other than your momma jokes in guild chat or shit talking in /1 or /2 making the guild look like the assholes, which I know some people could care less about, and is more than apparent, but I'd like to see a bit of pride from members of this guild.Herrm

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by Toot on Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:17 pm

^^ Thats my Herrmstory and i'm sticking to it!!Toot

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by Pllague on Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:11 pm

Herrm wrote:
just making a general statement leading into the fact that the guild as it currently stands has a ridiculous number of people in it, 175 players with 110 accounts. I've said this over and over and everyday I have been getting more and more frustrated tells about it, but this whole friend thing makes no sense. WoW has friends lists, the ability to send tells and even make your own private channels, people's friends walking around with our guild tag really serves no purpose other than to clog the roster and fill guild chat with useless, often annoying and distracting chatter.

ok so seeing as its hard for u to understand what im trying to say so ill make it blunt. the idea of removing everyone that is not a raider/raiders alt. is pretty fucking stupid. and for those people that are bitching about a distracting Gchat think its hard to raid and read that at the same time are retarded. and THEY are probably the ones that are sucking it up because they cant multitask. which plays a big part in end game raiding. OR maybe u know u cant multitask and u find urself reading gchat in the first place then u are doing something wrong. IM SORRY its not that hard to figure out. everyone that bitched about a distracting Gchat basically tells u "hey gkick me". thats my views.

LETS NOT TURN THIS INTO A NAZI REGIME.Pllague

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by Pllague on Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:26 pm

and im not gonna be a pussy and just not say anything like alot of the other people here in this guild.

maybe 1-2 people bitched about a distracting guild chat and even then i kinda doubt that. ever since u got GM uve changed this guild for the worse (starting with removing the rights to gkick and ginvite). it seems u are going on a power trip and a certain some1 even said this was gonna happen. and they said it right to ur face in vent and i didnt think it to be true untill now. and hopefully u will change it back to the old FUN ways of SnD.

may as well change the name to herrmguild.Pllague

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by Herrm on Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:04 pm

Where have I seen bitter posts like this before? Oh I remember now...when you cried and quit because you didn't get your trinket, ah but that wasn't about the loot, it was all about the fact the guild had regressed, that people were assholes that sucked at this game, those were your reasons for not wanting to raid anymore......well not on your lock at least, but you certainly wanted a spot on your priest for some reason. How weird is that? It's still the same people, the same horrible asshole players that was your reason for quitting raiding, I'm not quite sure how raiding on your priest was going to magically make everyone nice and cuddly and be better players, I mean because that's why you quit....right?

You're entitled to your opinion, as is everyone. I don't mind the criticism (wished I would get more be it positive or negative) though I also have the right to reply to it. A lot of people seemed to think you had ulterior motives for this merge as you were all for it and were a major voice for it happening...until some things didn't go your way. Keep in mind, and for new people or people that actually don't even know the whole story, realize I didn't ask to be GM, at all, it was asked OF me and I've done nothing but try to keep this guild raiding since the merge but then again how would you know, the drop of one trinket and you not getting it ended your raiding career.

I'd be the first one to admit this guild in it's current state (and for quite a long time) isn't at all like it was back in the day, or even back BACK in the day when it was TheCore, it was a completely different atmosphere, it was more like friends hanging out on vent and oh yeah, we were also killing bosses too but that almost seemed secondary to just HANGING OUT having FUN playing a VIDEO GAME, those are the days I miss, to be completely honest. But in the end I don't care what you believe happened or didn't happen, you're just like so many that bailed on us when we needed you, so your opinions and statements are meaningless to me.

P.S. I'm not sure who you said called me out on vent, since you're saying it was "in front of my face" but I never heard anyone say anything like that.

P.S.S. The idea of only allowing thelanythelany rank and higher invite and kick ability wasn't even my idea, but when they explained the reasoning, I saw the purpose for it and made the change.

P.S.S.S. I'm a terrible player that can't multitask

P.S.S.S.S. Herrmguild is already takenHerrm

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by Pllague on Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:33 pm

sure i wanted to raid on my priest, sure i wanted to quit raiding because of some assholes. but maybe the reason i wanted to raid on my priest was for a change because i was bored with the lock AND wanted to help the guild because i dont normally just bail on a guild. ALSO i never hold grudges so i was over the damn trinket like 2 minutes after it was looted. and i dont know how many people told me to just bend over and loot it when i could. i told them na its fine. people were more pissed about me not getting the trinket than i even was. basically me being on my priest would help me focus on learning the fights on a different class so i keep my mind off the way the new guild was. ALSO yes i was all for the merge and wanted it bad! that was to see if it would even work (sadly it didnt change like ive seen other guilds do). but all it has done is made it worse.Pllague

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by Jcufg on Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:26 am

Pllague wrote:
sure i wanted to raid on my priest, sure i wanted to quit raiding because of some assholes. but maybe the reason i wanted to raid on my priest was for a change because i was bored with the lock AND wanted to help the guild because i dont normally just bail on a guild. ALSO i never hold grudges so i was over the damn trinket like 2 minutes after it was looted. and i dont know how many people told me to just bend over and loot it when i could. i told them na its fine. people were more pissed about me not getting the trinket than i even was. basically me being on my priest would help me focus on learning the fights on a different class so i keep my mind off the way the new guild was. ALSO yes i was all for the merge and wanted it bad! that was to see if it would even work (sadly it didnt change like ive seen other guilds do). but all it has done is made it worse.
The thing that pissed me off more so than anything else was you were SOOOOOOOOOOO about the merger.

Calling everyone morons for not seeing things your way because everyone is super good blah blah blah blah sure we can find it on the boards somewhere.

Then the second something as mild as a loot problem happens you ditched us. Then said it wasn't over loot it was over assholes. Then wanting to raid a few weeks later..........I don't really understand that you were either
A)Being an irriational person over pixils
B) 100% lying as to why you really quit in the first place
C) Not liking how poorly we were doing and used the loot as an exscape to our shitty progression AFTER you realized it wasn't a good idea.

It's like someone making a meal for themselfs taking a bite then realizing they don't like and and try to give it to some one else as a good gesture.
You can take your shit pie and shove it up your ass.

I like you don't get me wrong but what you did was pretty effing messed up. As for you raiding in the expansion in this guild i woulnd't be about it. What if some one takes a piece of loot you wanted are you going to say HEY EFF YOU GUYS IM DONE
Who knows what the fuck you will do with not being able to controll your emotions.

I know i have been a huge flake in the past but when i flaked out it was always when the guild was doing well not when they were hurting for players.Jcufg

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by Jcufg on Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:29 am

Also don't bash Herrm ATLEAST HE IS TRYING TO MAKE THIS GUILD LAST unlike people who just sit here and bitch and tell him what he is doing wrong AFTER YOU QUIT

Sit your asses down and how about you actually try to help insted of filling our boards with this poison telling the people who are STILL TRYING to raid that we will never be able to do anything.Jcufg

Kiri on Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:44 am

I'm guessing the reason you are posting pllague is because you're not amazingly active and you have like 6 family members and friends in this guild?

This is [supposed to be] a serious raiding guild. Which means at its core you have several positive minded people, highly skilled players capable of leading the above average players through successful progression. The model for a serious raiding guild would, fundamentally be sort of like a jawbreaker (the really big fuckers), small center and then larger rings outside.

However there is such a small center in this guild and the outer rings are massive. I don't even know how these people get invited or who invites them. I just know that when I log on Qiri to see whats up with everyone I see even more new alt/friend rank XXX's friend/cousin etc in the guild roster.

Overall this creates a much more casual look for the guild and a casual mindset permeates through the ranks. Take this thread for example, it is by and large pllague arguing with herrm. However there are some posts scattered in by actual raiding members, those who have a voice. That's a sign about how casual it is and how cavalier some people are about being here. While I think Pllague, your arguments are generally combative, irrational and baseless, I guess it's a good sign that someone who is NOT involved with the guild is at least giving feedback; regardless of its content.

I think Herrm's choice of pointing out the inflated size of this guild is really just analogous to the state of mind people have in this guild. SnD has an EXTREMELY large group of non-contributing members; now while we've always had extra people in our community I don't think it has ever gotten to the point it is currently. And I don't know if Herrm agrees with me but I think it is an analogous representation of why the guild is suffering in other areas.

And pllague come on, nazi regime? This is guild is like the Kindergarten class before Arnold got there, and now he's trying to bring some order and run some fire drills and you call it a nazi regime? please.Kiri

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by Owuttatank on Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:38 pm

Kiri wrote:
And pllague come on, nazi regime? This is guild is like the Kindergarten class before Arnold got there, and now he's trying to bring some order and run some fire drills and you call it a nazi regime? please.

GET DEW DEE CHOPPAAH....

and that's my 2 cents

Seriously, we should redirect all this effort in the posts we make, into the raids. I'm not saying anyone that has posted isn't putting forth the effort, but geez.

Like I've said before, if you aren't showing up, reading strats, doing your homework, fixing your mistakes AND getting better from them....GET THE FUCK OUT and stop wasting our time.Owuttatank

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by Kobu on Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:38 pm

The problem is, no one is going to up and quit because they feel like they are not contributing. Everyone in their own small way is, but not at the level that we require. Everyone has to be realizing we have to be giving 100% effort on every attempt on every boss for every raid or our goal to kill KJ is over. Everyone needs to honestly evaluate themselves and ask if they are giving that 100% effort and trying to make themselves better in every way. Besides reading strats, understand your role and all the reasons why you either die or can screw up in a fight. If you half-ass your way through raids, then it is worse than if you are being absent. If you consistently keep messing up, either honestly ask yourself if you are capable of doing what you need to do. Are you simply not fast enough? Everyone needs to be anticipating problem areas and preparing themselves before it happens. Check timers as often as possible and anticipate. Are you ignoring raid warnings or timers? Unless you know the fight by heart you should be paying close attention to those things over your primary dps/healing role. Are you unable to deal with all the things going on at the same time? The problems I have had in the past have been that I get tunnel vision and concentrate too much on healing optimally that I miss looking at timers and getting in the right position. The fact is that I usually have to drop myself down to 85-90% concentration level on my healing in order to pay much better attention to the things going on in raid.

On almost all fights, but especially Kalegos and Felmyst which are the fights we have the most trouble with, everyone needs to be paying more attention to the timers and positioning over just doing their dps or healing or tanking. Learning how to heal and dps efficiently are things that by the time you are in sunwell you should be able to do quite well without having to really concentrate fully on it. You need to be able to do those things AND pay attention to everything going on at the same time, if you cannot do that for Felmyst or Kalecgos, we are never going to come close to beating Mu'ru must less KJ.

If you can't do this and cannot fix your mistakes quickly you are no good to us, there is no time left for trying to teach people these things, you either can do it or not at this point. The odd mistake here or there is fine, but a consistent mess up every time something bad happens, is at this point probably grounds for being disinvited from raid demoted or kicked.Kobu

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by Pllague on Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:19 pm

Jcufg wrote:
Also don't bash Herrm ATLEAST HE IS TRYING TO MAKE THIS GUILD LAST

yea i was for the merge. and sayin that they were good players was a big part of trying for the merge to happen. all i was doing was trying to save the guild from going to pot and not raiding at all (which would have happened if the merge didnt take place). this guild would have sat on their ass till the expac or gathered a bunch of random people on the server in t5 gear and gear um out in BT and by the time they finally got geared for SW the expac would be out. so dont say it like herrm is the only one trying to do anything. and yes we all do "messed up things" such as ditch the guild for Age of conan.

kiri wrote:
I think Herrm's choice of pointing out the inflated size of this guild is really just analogous to the state of mind people have in this guild. SnD has an EXTREMELY large group of non-contributing members; now while we've always had extra people in our community I don't think it has ever gotten to the point it is currently. And I don't know if Herrm agrees with me but I think it is an analogous representation of why the guild is suffering in other areas.

And pllague come on, nazi regime? This is guild is like the Kindergarten class before Arnold got there, and now he's trying to bring some order and run some fire drills and you call it a nazi regime? please.

u think the guild is suffering because of the amount of non-contributing members? i think this guild is suffering because of the amount of flakes in it that cant make raid times such as yourself.

and no this is more like herrm wanting shit his way so it is a nazi regime and eventually will fall just like the 3rd reich.Pllague

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by Jcufg on Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:26 pm

Pllague wrote:
Jcufg wrote:
Also don't bash Herrm ATLEAST HE IS TRYING TO MAKE THIS GUILD LAST

yea i was for the merge. and sayin that they were good players was a big part of trying for the merge to happen. all i was doing was trying to save the guild from going to pot and not raiding at all (which would have happened if the merge didnt take place). this guild would have sat on their ass till the expac or gathered a bunch of random people on the server in t5 gear and gear um out in BT and by the time they finally got geared for SW the expac would be out. so dont say it like herrm is the only one trying to do anything. and yes we all do "messed up things" such as ditch the guild for Age of conan.

kiri wrote:
I think Herrm's choice of pointing out the inflated size of this guild is really just analogous to the state of mind people have in this guild. SnD has an EXTREMELY large group of non-contributing members; now while we've always had extra people in our community I don't think it has ever gotten to the point it is currently. And I don't know if Herrm agrees with me but I think it is an analogous representation of why the guild is suffering in other areas.

And pllague come on, nazi regime? This is guild is like the Kindergarten class before Arnold got there, and now he's trying to bring some order and run some fire drills and you call it a nazi regime? please.

u think the guild is suffering because of the amount of non-contributing members? i think this guild is suffering because of the amount of flakes in it that cant make raid times such as yourself.

and no this is more like herrm wanting shit his way so it is a nazi regime and eventually will fall just like the 3rd reich.
I think you have downs or somethign becuase when i quit i said IF YOU GUYS EVER NEED ME FOR ANYTHING WHAT SO EVER GET ME ON VENT OR IN AoC. Trystin knew it and when i did quit it was when everyone was still raiding NOT WHEN WE HAD NO PEOPLE RAIDING.

I also quit AoC to come and HELP SnD out when i heard about everyone xfering off. I also left for 3 weeks.....wwooooowwwwww
I didn't QQ about me not getting loot
The way i see it the only reason you wanted people was so you could raid and get yourself a skull and when you didn't you made like a 4 years bitch and cried in a cornor because mommy didn't give you a cookie.Jcufg

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by Pllague on Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:46 pm

wrong. if i wanted the skull so fuckin badly and quit the game after i got it then i would have ninjad it (which i could have easily done because it was sitting on illi for so long). and like i said "i wanted to come back on my priest to help the guild and have a change for once instead of the lock".Pllague

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by Jcufg on Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:50 pm

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wrong. if i wanted the skull so fuckin badly and quit the game after i got it then i would have ninjad it (which i could have easily done because it was sitting on illi for so long). and like i said "i wanted to come back on my priest to help the guild and have a change for once instead of the lock".
If you wanted to help the guild you would have played on your lock who we now have to use Herrmlock to raid

We have more than enough Spriests

Also why would you even mention the idea of you ninjaing the skull???? That shouldn't even be a topic of conversation.Jcufg

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by Pllague on Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:58 pm

Pllague wrote:
If you wanted to help the guild you would have played on your lock who we now have to use Herrmlock to raid

We have more than enough Spriests

Also why would you even mention the idea of you ninjaing the skull???? That shouldn't even be a topic of conversation.

when i quit we had more than enough locks to raid (mini, anyeth, zagron, and daveae). also i mentioned the idea of ninjaing a skull so people would stop using that as the excuse to why i quit. people seem to think i wanted it oh so fuckin bad when in all actuality i dont give a shit about it. so sayin i could have picked it up but didnt because i dont rly care about it is a good way to show u guys it wasnt about the skull.

also i had no idea zagron slowed down on raiding because I WASNT THERE. now if some1 sent me an ingame mail notifying me of him not being able to raid all the time and asked me if i would consider coming back then i would have.Pllague

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by Jcufg on Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:04 pm

Pllague wrote:
Pllague wrote:
If you wanted to help the guild you would have played on your lock who we now have to use Herrmlock to raid

We have more than enough Spriests

Also why would you even mention the idea of you ninjaing the skull???? That shouldn't even be a topic of conversation.

when i quit we had more than enough locks to raid (mini, anyeth, zagron, and daveae). also i mentioned the idea of ninjaing a skull so people would stop using that as the excuse to why i quit. people seem to think i wanted it oh so fuckin bad when in all actuality i dont give a shit about it. so sayin i could have picked it up but didnt because i dont rly care about it is a good way to show u guys it wasnt about the skull.

also i had no idea zagron slowed down on raiding because I WASNT THERE. now if some1 sent me an ingame mail notifying me of him not being able to raid all the time and asked me if i would consider coming back then i would have.If you didn't quit in the first place we wouldn't have to send you ingame mails to let you know how our raids are going
I would have assumed you would have figured it out when HERRMLOCK is in every raid for the last monthJcufg

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by Pllague on Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:09 pm

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If you didn't quit in the first place we wouldn't have to send you ingame mails to let you know how our raids are going
I would have assumed you would have figured it out when HERRMLOCK is in every raid for the last month

how would i know if hes in the raid everynight if im not even there. i was on my horde for 3 weeks hardly even logging on pllague and when i did log on him it was to do minor things like do an enchant for some1 or even some1 else logging on my guy to DE something. i found out about herrm playin on his lock when i came back to help my bro get into a snd karazhan and go along with him to pick up for his bad DPS. and herrm was already geared to the teeth on his lock so it didnt really matter if i came back or not so i said fuck it they are fine.
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