The trolls just aren't what they used to be.

A lot of this is going to be stuff that people already know, some of it is stuff that people don't know but should, and some of it is wrong and you should correct me.

I know it's frustrating that people are still dying to infest, and that the disc priests are the easiest targets to blame. I also know that I don't put up as many bubbles as I could/should, compared to Zsig. But, some people really don't seem to understand that bubbles are not a magic panacea against infest. Even if everyone in the raid has a full bubble on them (as should be the case in phase 1), people can and will take infest ticks. Let's do some really bad napkin math here:

Infest base damage is 18-20k, but you can always assume 3% damage reduction from renewed hope and at least 10% resist from shadow prot.
I don't know whether the reductions are additive or multiplicative, but for napkin math it doesn't make a big difference, so let's just assume additive.
So, without any other damage reduction, infest is going to tick for 16-17k, a bubble is going to take off 10-13k of that (and no amount of bis gear or sp stacking will increase it by much; only sp procs can increase it significantly), and you're going to take 3-7k damage.

If you have full health and you take 3k from an infest? You're ok. You're above 90% health.
If you have full health and you take 4k from an infest? You're ok if you're a platewearer and remain above 90% health.
If you take more damage than that? You need to get healed up or infest ticks harder and harder.

In practice, there are a lot more factors in how much damage you take from infest even without using any active cooldowns. Lots of classes have reduce damage taken or increase resistance talents (~10% damage reduction). Half the people in melee are likely to have ancestral fortitude (10% damage reduction). Most importantly, you might get more than the minimum 10% resist. With shadow prot, you'll get 10% resist 1/4 of the time, 20% resist 1/2 of the time, and 30% resist 1/4 of the time.

So what can a dps do about it? Avoid taking unnecessary damage from ghouls and such. Take damage reduction talents that aren't out of the way and majorly detract from your dps. Also use damage reduction cooldowns on infest that you wouldn't otherwise use anyway. For example, a mage can put 1 point into magic absorption instead of student of the mind, a healing priest can put 5 points in spell warding instead of divine fury, and a cat can use barkskin. I'm not familiar with any other specs, but I'm sure a bunch of them have equivalent things they can do.

So what can a healer do about it? Time a direct aoe heal to land right as infest lands. Shamans can chain heal to clean off a melee group or 2. Holy priests can poh 1 group and coh another. Disc priests can poh a group if they're not already busy shielding people. Paladins and druids? I dunno? Do your best with wg/rejuv/nourish/fol to get people topped off?

What can the raid as a whole do about it? When top guilds were doing the fight at 10-15% buff, they rotated raid cd each infest. Nowadays they don't really need to if they don't want to. They can just heal people back up when their infests break their shields, but maybe our healers just aren't coordinated enough. Maybe we can heal people up better if each healer has a group they focus on first when healing the raid back up from infest. I don't know how to solve the infest problem. I do know that no matter how many bubbles you put on people and how much current tier gear you have, infest will break through bubbles here and there, and people will need to get healed back up.

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Here below I'm just going to type out what I do when I'm healing as disc. If I'm doing it wrong you should correct me.

If I'm the lone disc, I just rotate shields repeatedly and do nothing else. I can usually get somewhere between 15 and 20 people. This means that melee aren't going to shielded much if at all.

If we have 2 disc priests, we each take 2 groups, and the last group is free for all (in practice, this means that the same priest will get the last group almost all the time, because once you fall behind, you stay behind). After I shield my 2 groups, I use pom on a random player. When infest is being casted, I cast a poh on one of the groups I'm responsible for. After infest lands, I cast penance on someone that still has it ticking.

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If you have better ideas, speak up.

Out of town this weekend. Arriving back on Sunday. I think I'll be in time for raid, maybe slightly late. I've got some numbers in my phone, so I'll try and remember to send out a text if it looks like I won't make it. JUST A HEADS UP

For the subject line, please include your MAIN CHARACTER'S NAME that you are applying to join with, the CLASS YOU INTEND TO RAID WITH, and current server, ONLY if you are not currently on Scilla.

1. Your age, gender, and time played:
16, male, 273 days played. 137 @ 80.

2. List any alts and off specs you have gear for AND CAN PLAY COMPETENTLY (your main should be able to respec and play any spec on the fly):
I have a 5300 gs priest, who is shadow. I do 5k dps with him which is pretty high for my gearscore.
3. Armory link use this code only for your main since this code may be used just once per page!
Code:
[recruit loc="us,scilla"]stealth[/recruit]
Jackslammer (Recruitment Info)

4. WOL, WMO, WWS, etc. links and/or other clear indication of your performance in a raid:
Recount said i did 7k on emalon
5. A history of your previous guild(s)/server(s), their progression, your rank and responsibilities in the guild, and reason(s) for leaving, also include any references we may contact:
i was in Guardians of Silvermoon, Blood Brothers, Shenanigans, and even Last Attempt. (Last attempt was realy good we kiled 4/5 togc)

6. It is assumed you will be available from 8-12 ST (Server Time is EST) Tuesday through Thursday, during progression we will raid Sunday and Monday as well starting at 8 ST and ending when all encounters are defeated. If you can’t, please explain why you couldn't make our scheduled raid times (or why you even bothered applying):
I can do this, i've never had a bed time or limitation of how long i can play.
Jackslammer wrote:
It is required you bring full consumables to every raid; that includes food buffs, two elixirs or flasks, and enough pots for the entire night, and of course fully repaired and ready to go when invites are out.

It is required you use the best gems and get the best enchants on your gear; endgame raiders should not have any cheap gems, cheap or no enchants, and/or incorrect stats for your class. In addition you must have two raiding professions levelled high enough for their level 80 benefits, such as 47 sp, 60 stam, 80 ap, etc.

You also must have a decent computer, decent Internet connection, and not have any lag/FPS issues. We also use Ventrilo during raids and speak English, it is necessary that you use Vent and a microphone, and be able to effectively communicate during raids.

7. Post a screen shot of your UI and/or a comprehensive list of mods that you use for raiding?
WILL POST IN A SECOND

8. If you have thoroughly answered the following questions and you are confident you are what we are looking for, you have a good chance of being trialed, but we'd like to know why you want to join us? What made you choose us over the other guilds out there? I heared you're all really good and i want to be good to. If i can get geer on the way lol its even bettr

Jackslammer wrote:
DISCLAIMER: WHAR LEWTS PLZ HALp is a fun-time guild whose comments and nature thereof can offend individuals if taken personally, and, although we commit to teamwork and never intend to upset a player, it occasionally happens. We can and most likely will be critical of your performance, your gear, your application, your spec, your voice, your gender, your race, your old guild, etc., so we must say if you are easily offended by harsh criticism and/or obscenities. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!

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As I said yesterday, can't make it to raid tonight.

inb4 "Casualith"

WLPH now hosts a Regular 25m ICC/RS aimed for 4 hours or less of raiding goodness. This is aimed to take WLPHers who didn't make the main raid's normal clear as well as PuGs who are only interested in ICC 25m. No suck - we can't wipe to your stupidity all day.

Know ALL the fights on Normal mode, Lich King and Halion included! We are also looking at doing Morrowgar, Lootship, Rotface, Festergut, and Blood Queen on HEROIC!

Invites start at 5:55. If you are late or afk, don't expect your spot will be held. We may still need you, but if your spot has been filled, too bad. We aren't going to sit there and wait for you to log in or get on the right character. Even if you whisper me I may miss your tell because I get a ton of whispers during invites.

Tally loot system applies.

LOOT WILL NOT BE LIMITED TO ARMOR LEVEL, EXCEPT FOR BOE ITEMS.

First come, first serve, best skilled get the slots. I will be checking gear and if you think Badge T9 gear is good enough, you're WRONG.

IF YOU PULL LOW OR CRAP DPS (below 7k) YOU WILL BE KICKED, BECAUSE WE WILL BE KILLING SHIT WHERE YOUR DPS MATTERS.

TIER TOKENS WILL BE GIVEN ONLY TO PEOPLE WITH TIER ITEMS READY TO BE UPGRADED.

Also adding this in... SIGN UP AS INDIVIDUALS! I'm not doing package deals. If I can fit all and it works for the raid, then consider yourself lucky. If you won't go without your friends, then I'll find others that can go. We are here to down LK, not cater to your cliqueish bullshit.

Tanks (3/3):
Zdia (DK)
Erbodhe (War)
Iliiana (DK)


Tanks WL:


Healers (6/6):
Miawolf (Priest)
Stacey (Disc)
Kelitha (Shaman)
Mythall (Paladin)
Uv (Druid)
Kikkoman (Druid)

Healer WL:
Rookei (Druid)


Melee (7/7):
Muzin (Warrior)
Annysia (Druid)
Hollahaus (DK)
Nedias (Rogue)
Belloc (Paladin)
Momocow (Paladin)
Timezone (Warrior)

Melee WL:
Belloc (Paladin)
Bleepboop (Paladin)
Wammypally (Paladin)
Sassafrass (Shaman)
Moribund (DK)
Innea (Warrior)


Ranged DPS (9/9):
Lightvsdark (Priest)
Paincakes (Priest)
Mvpplaymaker (Warlock)
Dreaper (Warlock)
Sabereynn (Mage)
Shadowstomp (Shaman)
Wildvine (Druid)
Xfreshh (Huntard)
Furbuglar (Mage)

Ranged WL:
Zetsu (Hunter)
Rookei (Druid)
Hotdots (Aff)

WLPH now hosts a Regular 25m ICC AND RUBY SANCTUM aimed for 4 hours or less of raiding goodness. This is aimed to take WLPHers who didn't make the main raid's normal clear as well as PuGs who are only interested in ICC 25m. No suck - we can't wipe to your stupidity all day.

This group does hard modes, so you are expected to KNOW the fights NORMAL and HEROIC! Morrowgar, Deathwhisper, Lootship, Saurfang, Festergut, Rotface, Blood Princes, Blood Queen, and Dreamwalker will be done as Heroic. Putricide is the next one for us to down!

Invites start at 6:25. If you are late or afk, don't expect your spot will be held. We may still need you, but if your spot has been filled, too bad. We aren't going to sit there and wait for you to log in or get on the right character. Even if you whisper me I may miss your tell because I get a ton of whispers during invites.

Tally loot system applies.

LOOT WILL NOT BE LIMITED TO ARMOR LEVEL, EXCEPT FOR BOE ITEMS.

First come, first serve, best skilled get the slots. I will be checking gear and if you think Badge T9 gear is good enough, you're WRONG.

IF YOU PULL LOW OR CRAP DPS (below 7k) YOU WILL BE KICKED, BECAUSE WE WILL BE KILLING SHIT WHERE YOUR DPS MATTERS.

TIER TOKENS WILL BE GIVEN ONLY TO PEOPLE WITH TIER ITEMS READY TO BE UPGRADED.

Also adding this in... SIGN UP AS INDIVIDUALS! I'm not doing package deals. If I can fit all and it works for the raid, then consider yourself lucky. If you won't go without your friends, then I'll find others that can go. We are here to down shit, not cater to your cliqueish bullshit.


Tanks (3/3):
Miia (War)
Sashe (Druid)
Yae (Paladin)

Tanks WL:
Zergunn (Paladin)


Healers (6/6):
Kurusaki (Paladin)
Lightinfused (Disc)
Shadowshammy (Shaman)
Ethum (Druid)
Healem (Disc)
Starship (Druid)


Healer WL:



Melee (7/7):
Winze (Rogue)
Athena (War)
Naleac (Rogue)
Banhxeo (Paladin)
Lurtis (DK)
Galliance (Paladin)
Darkath (DK)
Tsubaki (DK)


Melee WL:
Plarebear (Druid)
Kimoshi (Frost)
Kennshin (Rogue)
Cahn (Rogue)
Acilius (Warrior)


Ranged DPS (8/9):
Leyra (Warlock)
Purejuice (Shaman)
Wamogri (Hunter)
Hollabackgrl (Mage)
Kooqu (Warlock)
Swsj (Priest)
Dinkyboinker (Mage)
Shepard (Boomkin)
Sunlance (Druid)
Amplitude (Priest)

Ranged WL:
Excells (Destro)
Felix (Hunter)

You're as old as Mia!

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