Why immortal failed on Gluth

[jackslammer]

Commanding shout was gained by 25 raid units @ 21:03'43.662 which included three treants however Archlight, Arity, and Tyrani never gained commanding shout.

Gluth decimated @ 21:04'00.763 killing Archlight, Arity, and Tyrani.

So bug with commanding shout and treants?

[Kaistine]

So boomkin is buying a bag for someone?

[Firecrest]

Wow. Gratz Blizz.

[Burlock]

Looks to me like Ethax should have ice blocked.

Way to go.

[Hitshade]

Commanding shout was gained by 25 raid units @ 21:03'43.662 which included three treants however Archlight, Arity, and Tyrani never gained commanding shout.

Gluth decimated @ 21:04'00.763 killing Archlight, Arity, and Tyrani.

So bug with commanding shout and treants?

I didnt think Commanding shout wass limited to a certain number of units. We could test this quite easily. I would assume warlock, hunter and DK pets got the buff as well. The fact that treants got them shouldnt be of consequence. Maybe Im wrong.

However, as far as I know it is still limited by a 20yd range. Slow to jump perhaps.

Also theres decimates mechanic to considder. If Archlight, Arity and Tyrani never gained the buff to begin with, there would be no additional health pool to potentially fuck things up. So even if commanding shout is limited to a maximum of 25 units it should not have made a difference.

[Firecrest]

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[jackslammer]

Commanding shout was gained by 25 raid units @ 21:03'43.662 which included three treants however Archlight, Arity, and Tyrani never gained commanding shout.

Gluth decimated @ 21:04'00.763 killing Archlight, Arity, and Tyrani.

So bug with commanding shout and treants?

I didnt think Commanding shout wass limited to a certain number of units. We could test this quite easily. I would assume warlock, hunter and DK pets got the buff as well. The fact that treants got them shouldnt be of consequence. Maybe Im wrong.

However, as far as I know it is still limited by a 20yd range. Slow to jump perhaps.

Also theres decimates mechanic to consider. If Archlight, Arity and Tyrani never gained the buff to begin with, there would be no additional health pool to potentially fuck things up. So even if commanding shout is limited to a maximum of 25 units it should not have made a difference.

Ya it doesn't make sense, as far as I understand there is no limit on the number of units commanding shout can affect and it also doesn't make sense that if the three who died didn't gain commanding shout why did it still treat it like they did?

I looked into the WWS and they got hit for 95% of their health as if they had commanding shout, so the culprit here is definitely commanding shout.

The treants were the most obvious cause of it when looking at WWS, and no other pets got commanding shout, probably got stuck in the tube. This has to be a bug and we should test it out and discover exactly why Archlight, Arity, and Tyrani died.

The three people who died all have "t" "r" and "a" in their name similar to treants, so maybe it's bad programming, remember this is still beta.

[Hitshade]

No doubt.

In any case, Im going to refrain from dropping trees on that fight until the immortal achievement is completed. (Unless of course we can pinpoint another cause)

[abecx]

The three people in question HAD commanding shout and it didnt fade until they died.

[Hitshade]

I wanted to look at this a little more. The first thing that pops out at me after reviewing the WWS data is this:


First Commanding Shout

21:02'20.826 Aragon gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Doodah gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Cahn gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Voke gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Sylvaa gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Kaistine gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Milliardoe gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Tyrul gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Treant #1 gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Treant #3 gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Treant #2 gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Alyse gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Theroj gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Sanderz gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Geng gains Commanding Shout.
21:02'20.934 Silme gains Commanding Shout.

Only 16 targets recieve Commanding shout, 3 of which were Treants. Leaving ~1/2 of the raid without the buff.


21:02'38.401 Treant #2 died.
21:02'38.401 Treant #3 died.
21:02'38.401 Treant #1 died.


What appears to be a second Commanding shout:
(This is the one listed above by Jack)
Over a full minute after the original, treants are dead at this point.

21:03'43.559 Abec gains Commanding Shout.
21:03'43.662 Thorran gains Commanding Shout.
21:03'43.662 Nouhstekehue gains Commanding Shout.
21:03'43.662 Küsh gains Commanding Shout.
21:03'43.662 Jackslammer gains Commanding Shout.
21:03'43.662 Sharfalma gains Commanding Shout.
21:03'43.662 Crazyyd gains Commanding Shout.
21:03'43.662 Tyrul gains Commanding Shout.
21:03'43.662 Alyse gains Commanding Shout.
21:03'43.662 Styxix gains Commanding Shout.
21:03'43.662 Lorake gains Commanding Shout.

11 people get the buff, two of which (myself and alyse) are having the buff refreshed.

21:04'00.763 Gluth Decimate

At this time 22 members of the raid have Commanding shout. (The 3 who didnt, are the 3 who died). This is ~20 seconds before the original commanding shout would have worn off.

It does seem that decimate treated those who died as if they had commanding shout. But with the treants dead and their corpses gone by the time of the second shout it would seem to rule out the possibility that they "stole" the buff from other players... but who the hell knows.