01-26-2009, 04:37 PM
Here are my two cents.
Firstly even with the high stress of vent after situations like these and emotions flying rampant, I usually sympathize with Abe for leading the guild and having the buck stop at him, I don't think he ever wants to piss people off and I even think he'd gladly not raid lead if he didn't have to. So bad guy Abe, fuck you pal!
Secondly I appreciate this post a lot Aragon. This is what needs to be done when a death/wipe occurs rather than a full out personal shout fest argument on vent in the middle of a fucking raid. I also greatly appreciate having WWS and WMO available, and check out that 19939 HPS on Patchwerk.
Duvail even said it's hard to blame Archlight since she had never done this before and was having connection issues previous to pulling the boss. I really didn't expect anybody to buy a bag or lose DKP over this incident, although it would've been nice to have Archlight speak up and say what really happened before allowing vent to spiral out of control and listen to people defend her, but hey that's drama baby! :lol:
As for specifics to the fight, if everything is taunted and executed correctly there would be no reason to ever watch threat or stand at max range. Part of what makes great players and guilds are those that can identify and react to mistakes like a slow taunt or a resisted taunt. Knowing Archlight was new and not hit capped should've made people a lot more cautious to watch threat, stay back, preemptively use immunities and threat drops, etc.
So in the case of who could've have prevented that death;
archlight taunting faster
ethax iceblocking
duvail doing more threat
archlight doing more threat
jackslammer bopping ethax
alyse bopping ethax
sanderz bopping ethax
rakimacy taunting the understudy
aragon taunting
aragon intervening ethax
rootbear taunting
etc. etc. etc.
1. Are those things listed expected and should people be at blame for not doing them when somebody dies? Probably not.
2. Do people need to do these things for us to get Immortal? Probably.
3. Does scaring only the catalyst of these mistakes into not doing them again by buying a bag or losing DKP prevent them from doing it again? Doubtful.
I am disappointed over this whole incident, and I swear Immortal is turning into a guild breaker, but I don't think Archlight's gender has anything to do with what went wrong or what anybody said on vent. I also think this thread is more beneficial than any amount of DKP deducted or bags bought when it comes to Immortal next week.
Firstly even with the high stress of vent after situations like these and emotions flying rampant, I usually sympathize with Abe for leading the guild and having the buck stop at him, I don't think he ever wants to piss people off and I even think he'd gladly not raid lead if he didn't have to. So bad guy Abe, fuck you pal!
Secondly I appreciate this post a lot Aragon. This is what needs to be done when a death/wipe occurs rather than a full out personal shout fest argument on vent in the middle of a fucking raid. I also greatly appreciate having WWS and WMO available, and check out that 19939 HPS on Patchwerk.
Duvail even said it's hard to blame Archlight since she had never done this before and was having connection issues previous to pulling the boss. I really didn't expect anybody to buy a bag or lose DKP over this incident, although it would've been nice to have Archlight speak up and say what really happened before allowing vent to spiral out of control and listen to people defend her, but hey that's drama baby! :lol:
As for specifics to the fight, if everything is taunted and executed correctly there would be no reason to ever watch threat or stand at max range. Part of what makes great players and guilds are those that can identify and react to mistakes like a slow taunt or a resisted taunt. Knowing Archlight was new and not hit capped should've made people a lot more cautious to watch threat, stay back, preemptively use immunities and threat drops, etc.
So in the case of who could've have prevented that death;
archlight taunting faster
ethax iceblocking
duvail doing more threat
archlight doing more threat
jackslammer bopping ethax
alyse bopping ethax
sanderz bopping ethax
rakimacy taunting the understudy
aragon taunting
aragon intervening ethax
rootbear taunting
etc. etc. etc.
1. Are those things listed expected and should people be at blame for not doing them when somebody dies? Probably not.
2. Do people need to do these things for us to get Immortal? Probably.
3. Does scaring only the catalyst of these mistakes into not doing them again by buying a bag or losing DKP prevent them from doing it again? Doubtful.
I am disappointed over this whole incident, and I swear Immortal is turning into a guild breaker, but I don't think Archlight's gender has anything to do with what went wrong or what anybody said on vent. I also think this thread is more beneficial than any amount of DKP deducted or bags bought when it comes to Immortal next week.