04-07-2011, 04:43 PM
As a neutral party, I shall give my opinion.
After the nerf to VnT and the Magmaw change which happened ages ago. Conclave, VnT, Omnotron, Magmaw are all close enough in difficulty that it's stupid arguing over which is easiest. I'm the the opinion that all of them would take a similar ammount of time to kill. The thing that distinguishing them is that a fight like Magmaw is more dps/healer intensive, and a fight like Omnotron is more about execution and controlled dps.
Myself, I'm of the opinion that the next boss should be Omnotron and I'll give my reasoning behind this. The fight takes a good ammount of raid synergy and awareness, much like Atramedes. While I do think a fight like Magmaw would be killed faster, I think that doing a fight like Omnotron would be better for the raid as a whole. People seem to forget that everyone can improve their play, and I think that Omnotron would definitly help people start to play better. Learning to be more aware and control their dps rather than just tunneling is something people need to be able to do if you want to clear this content and do the later bosses. I also think it'd be better to just clear all of BWD Nefarion excluded simply for the sake of saving time not running in between instances. As I said, the fights are similar in difficulty so why not clear all of one instance and put it on farm rather than moving to another. The question really is, do you want to just move onto the next kill as quickly as possible, or try to clear content as a whole faster. If anyone brings up the "Oh we fuck up Omnotron on normal mode we can't possibly do heroic yet" arguement, well you're doing Atramedes now aren't you? And that was the most consistently fucked up Normal mode every week. Also, the guild already did a few meager attempts on Omnotron so people at least kind of know what to expect.
I feel that the fight order should be Omnotron, Magmaw, Conclave, VnT. One of the reasons I put conclave before VnT is that while the gear drop is pretty RNGish, the pieces there, belt/rings, are difficult to find elsewhere for most classes, and also because if you kill VnT last, then you can move on to Council right away.
And lastly. People have different opinions on what's next/easiest and aren't likely to change their opinions, be it based off fact or "This Boss drops something I want on Heroic". The officers need to take it upon themselves and decide what is best for the progression of the guild, and raiders should accept their decision and perform to their fullest on whatever fight is chosen. If you decide to do Magmaw, and after a few attempts I come in to stalk vent and hear someone say "This is stupid we should do X fight instead" I will be dissapointed. Like I said, it really doesn't matter what you choose next so long as you believe it will benefit the guild in the long run and everyone works on that one fight 100% without worrying about the others.
This thread needs more Hitshade.
After the nerf to VnT and the Magmaw change which happened ages ago. Conclave, VnT, Omnotron, Magmaw are all close enough in difficulty that it's stupid arguing over which is easiest. I'm the the opinion that all of them would take a similar ammount of time to kill. The thing that distinguishing them is that a fight like Magmaw is more dps/healer intensive, and a fight like Omnotron is more about execution and controlled dps.
Myself, I'm of the opinion that the next boss should be Omnotron and I'll give my reasoning behind this. The fight takes a good ammount of raid synergy and awareness, much like Atramedes. While I do think a fight like Magmaw would be killed faster, I think that doing a fight like Omnotron would be better for the raid as a whole. People seem to forget that everyone can improve their play, and I think that Omnotron would definitly help people start to play better. Learning to be more aware and control their dps rather than just tunneling is something people need to be able to do if you want to clear this content and do the later bosses. I also think it'd be better to just clear all of BWD Nefarion excluded simply for the sake of saving time not running in between instances. As I said, the fights are similar in difficulty so why not clear all of one instance and put it on farm rather than moving to another. The question really is, do you want to just move onto the next kill as quickly as possible, or try to clear content as a whole faster. If anyone brings up the "Oh we fuck up Omnotron on normal mode we can't possibly do heroic yet" arguement, well you're doing Atramedes now aren't you? And that was the most consistently fucked up Normal mode every week. Also, the guild already did a few meager attempts on Omnotron so people at least kind of know what to expect.
I feel that the fight order should be Omnotron, Magmaw, Conclave, VnT. One of the reasons I put conclave before VnT is that while the gear drop is pretty RNGish, the pieces there, belt/rings, are difficult to find elsewhere for most classes, and also because if you kill VnT last, then you can move on to Council right away.
And lastly. People have different opinions on what's next/easiest and aren't likely to change their opinions, be it based off fact or "This Boss drops something I want on Heroic". The officers need to take it upon themselves and decide what is best for the progression of the guild, and raiders should accept their decision and perform to their fullest on whatever fight is chosen. If you decide to do Magmaw, and after a few attempts I come in to stalk vent and hear someone say "This is stupid we should do X fight instead" I will be dissapointed. Like I said, it really doesn't matter what you choose next so long as you believe it will benefit the guild in the long run and everyone works on that one fight 100% without worrying about the others.
This thread needs more Hitshade.