umad jack

[Firecrest]

give alyse the reins for a week and he'll forget to bubble on sapphiron forget something very important

I'm old. It happens. :lol:

Word it how you want Alyse, but governments have been forcing the purchase of services forever. Imposing a financial charge on an entity is the definition of a tax.

A tax "is not a voluntary payment or donation, but an enforced contribution, exacted pursuant to legislative authority" and is "any contribution imposed by government [...] whether under the name of toll, tribute, tallage, gabel, impost, duty, custom, excise, subsidy, aid, supply, or other name."

DON'T TREAD ON ME!

I think you misunderstood me. I'm fine with the government telling people they have to buy healthcare. People ought to be doing it on their own but are too stupid and so they need the government to hold their hand and make them do what's right.

But that's not what's happening. The government CAN'T tell people to buy healthcare. So instead, they're taxing people who don't buy healthcare. This is an important distinction as it is a great example of the stupidity of our current legislature. Rather than fixing the problem and gaining the power to make stupid people do smart things, they're loopholing it by just saying, "Fine, you don't have to. We'll just charge you if you don't."

This is a great example of the idiocy of the current partisan divide. The ONLY reason the GOP fights this so strongly is because it came from Obama. And God forbid the other side do something good since it might make us look bad. The right's objections hold no water. If a random doof like Masc (no offense) can poke huge holes in their argument, it should be pretty clear that they're on the wrong side. But no. It's too fucking hard to step back, give Obama a hand and say, "Hey, good job doing something to help the country. We have a few kinks we'd like to see ironed out. Let's see what we can do."

And this from a right leaning moderate. Don't get me wrong though. The Dems are just as fucking retarded. I hate them all equally.