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2nd 25 man
#1
This idea was brought up during raid this week. I think it has potential for a couple reasons. We have several good players we're benching right now. More and more of us are getting alts to 80. So, combine those two and with content being as easy as it is right now, a new 25 man group wouldn't be too ridiculous.

Now, obviously people don't log in all the time right now... i.e. not having enough for 3 drakes when we had way extra for Tuesday. I think some people thought "man, if I wasn't taken to 25 man naxx.. why would they take me to 3 drakes?" and feel left out. People who know that if they log on in time they will almost always get a raid spot are much more likely to log on than those who don't. I think this problem would be solved with 2 25 mans. If filling out the 2nd group becomes a problem, I don't see why recruiting trade channel people would be a problem. Several people are getting back into raiding from a long time ago and they would make an awesome addition. Others just picked up the game and have great potential to excel quickly. W/e. The point is, getting through the content isn't hard.. so now should be the time we recruit potential people.

Going on with that idea.. the current 25 man would be "A group" while the 2nd would be "B group" or something along those lines. You can currently pug 25 mans for the most part.. so gear isn't really the difference between the two. We put our "best" players into the current 25 man. B group could be: excess people + new recruits+ alts. We currently clear content in a couple days right now. We could easily have the 2nd group start out after our current 25 man finishes so we don't have a problem filling out spots and it's more easy to monitor. That could change, w/e.

This way, the current 25 man never has to worry about filling out players, but people don't feel left out. If someone is gone, take the best person to fill the slot from B group. Also, if someone in B group is outperforming someone in A group.. switch them out the next week. Keep the best players in WLPH in Group A.

Why the Group A / B? When new raids come, we want our best players to hit the content first and show what the guild as a whole can do.

Concerns: Much more effort on guild leadership, at least at first. Someone else would have to be in charge of the 2nd 25 man.. basically we'd need another guild leader to manage that. The 2 leaders would need to talk about who should go in which group, when to replace people w/e.

Thoughts other than TLBig GrinR?
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#2
Id love to see some more raid invites now that Ive got my druid to 80 as well. Id like to see this idea take shape.
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#3
My thoughts and I agree with everything Styxix has said are this;

1. Season five starts on Tuesday, many players who have been on waitlist and even raiding might be PvP specced and glyphed and not want to raid like the past several weeks, so we may see a decrease in numbers of raiders

2. Holidays season and Christmas break may also hurt attendance and raiders who are usually sitting may need to fill the spot of vacationing consistent raiders

3. Naxxramas is already laggy as hell and adding more raids to it, especially early in the raid week, would cause more lag

4. The groups will become the geared and good group that tries to do achievements and the less geared and alts group distinguishing players for Ulduar

5. Many alts are in the 70s right now and would be available in a couple weeks to raid with a second group, also many new players who are 80 and want to raid still haven't cleared naxx on the 10 man

I think it's a great ideal to do two 25 man raid groups every week however I think the 10 mans are keeping people occupied for the time being and if we still have the excessive amount of players sitting and wanting to raid after Christmas this will be an easy solution.

Some things that must happen for it to work are that officers need to set up balanced and specific groups splitting the geared players evenly, there needs to be a clear leader and DKP officer in each raid group, they need to run on different raid days, and they need to be consistent and reliable.

TLDR: Wait for season 5 to start, more alts to hit 80, and ppl to clear the 10 man naxx first then we have to figure out some way to evenly split players, officers, DKP, and leaders to run the two 25 mans if we still have an excessive number of capable players wanting to raid
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#4
I have not been connecting as often to WoW due to work constraints since I am managing 4 sites now until January 09, I cannot commit myself 100%. I would hate to be in a 25 man and be called to fix some site issues and make the raid stop in order to wait til I'm done or unitl a replacement was viably able and available thats rediculous. However certain nights I am not on 24/7 duty so I wil inform Jackslammer on those nights of availablity, although I'd prefer to run Naxx 10 man and some heroics before saying hey take me I are 80. I personally feel I do not yet have enough new items to warrent a spot even if only backfill bench guy. have a look at my armoury and be the judge: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... utur%C3%AB

Further to add I need enchants on my new 80 gear and I do not want to be the gimp along others would have to partially carry (although I think i'd be fine, I'd rather eliminate the concern). I will go if thought adequate enough by Heal Lead, however I want to make sure I have at least 19K+ HP and more + Spell power raid buffed. I am attempting to get to 17.5K HP unbuffed while not gimping my spirit and spell power in the process.
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#5
This might happen but it wont happen till the beginning of the year if it does. Keep posting thoughts or suggestion i'm not going to shoot anything down without a lot more thought.
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#6
I don't see this happening if we can not keep the "Group A" attendance up. It seems recruiting may be needed again or promoting people... We need good players that show up on schedule... and that's one of the reasons why some people aren't members/raid members.
Why invite someone who is flaky to get gear in a main raid when they aren't going to be here for the next raid or later?

We also need someone with the time and desire to lead the 2nd group if we did have enough people. This does take time and motivation and considerable effort to get a successful run together. Anyone want to step up to take on this task? Last I checked there isn't much interest in this "work" position.
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#7
I am willing to take on the responsiblity if no one else is willing to step forward. Until the WLPH 2nd raid starts I will be going with Hymm or whomev I know and can trust to do well is forming. Starts are not difficult to go over, however specifics that specific classes need to ensure they do correctly is another matter which I am very willing to spend time researching/discussing wth current raid leads and specific classes who perform specific tasks during a boss encounter.

UTube is a great source for over all but certain specifics are not always there. This gives me 2-3 weeks to over load my brain and document strat data to lead second group. My ability to form the raid is not the best as I am still getting to know people here. I would like to discuss further with CLs and RLs on this when possible.
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