attendance, in general

[xnskzzxnvs]

Complaining about lack of attendance AND waitlist dkp in the same thread is blowing my mind.

it shouldn't. if the people you usually take to the fight are late/afk/busy/phone/power/wife/cinnamon-bun/goat-on-my-porch/or-otherwise-unavailable we should be getting other players in and doing another attempt instead of waiting 5-10 minutes for them to be back. we should want to have minimal down time, to get players who haven't done the fight much more experience in the fight, and to get progress (not necessarily in that order).

(and i'm not trying to point any fingers here, i just want to stress that we should make the best use that we can of our limited raid time, and people will be unavailable for any and all reasons.)

[stod]

Shut the fuck up and slay dragons.
All you do is bitch and moan, do something about the problems.
I know you have friends who would play, so quit bitching and convince them.
I look at raid as a bitchfest now, and I blast emo music over you faggots talking.

[Crazy Diana]

everyones replaceable

[Keylogger]

:doh:

[Keylogger]

Well, better figure it all out quick

[Firecrest]

if you have to be ready at a moments notice you deserve the same dkp.

I disagree with this. There has to be more reward for actually putting in the time and going through the wipes. Some guy who sat on the bench for two months while we learned HM ICC does not deserve to come in and get the same loot prio as the guy who put in the time when it was hard.

Especially given that we’ve had pretty much zero progression that wasn’t washed away the next week.

because of attendance. see us not getting into p3 yesterday after not pulling at all last week, even though we were wiping to frostmourne before that.

Like I said before. The "why" is no longer relevant. Whatever the cause, the chances of us fixing it in the next 4-8 weeks are minimal. We really need to be focusing on what we plan to do about it. Honestly I think doing nothing and forging ahead like nothing's wrong and there's actually a good chance of success is just a waste of everyone's time.

[Hitshade]

it shouldn't. if the people you usually take to the fight are late/afk/busy/phone/power/wife/cinnamon-bun/goat-on-my-porch/or-otherwise-unavailable we should be getting other players in and doing another attempt instead of waiting 5-10 minutes for them to be back. we should want to have minimal down time, to get players who haven't done the fight much more experience in the fight, and to get progress (not necessarily in that order).

(and i'm not trying to point any fingers here, i just want to stress that we should make the best use that we can of our limited raid time, and people will be unavailable for any and all reasons.)

You honestly cant see the humor inherent in having problems with attendance but griping about waitlist dkp?

The problem runs deeper than attendance anyhow. Even with shoddy attendance you're not pulling in 5 new people a night. At this point everyone that comes to the attempts should have experience and blaming attendance for lack of progress (again, at this point) is borderline idiotic. I mean if you NEVER get attempts in thats one thing, but after so many months you cant say that missing a week is making raiders bad.

No half-way competent player is going to completely forget the mechanics of the fight if they don't put in attempts for one week. Even if they needed a warm-up that would be accomplished within a couple wipes, not an entire night of them. For fuck sake I have gone weeks in between attempts and still managed to put some of the raiders to shame when Im pulled in to cover for someone. Attendance is not the real problem. Period.

As far as DKP is concerned... Every guild that has killed HM LK so far has done it with equal or lesser gear than what the raid, as a whole, has now. Get rid of it. Open rolls for the remaining few weeks in the expansion.

Its perfectly obvious that these purples that your dkp is currently being spent on are going to be replaced with QUEST AND NON-HEROIC DUNGEON GEAR in Cataclysm. Who fucking cares about something that is going to be completely irrelevant in a couple months time?

[Hitshade]

I disagree with this. There has to be more reward for actually putting in the time and going through the wipes. Some guy who sat on the bench for two months while we learned HM ICC does not deserve to come in and get the same loot prio as the guy who put in the time when it was hard.

IF I CAME BACK TONIGHT AND WE KILLED HM LK THE MOUNT WOULD TOTALLY GO TO ME. 8-)

[Thorran]

IF I CAME BACK TONIGHT AND WE KILLED HM LK THE MOUNT WOULD TOTALLY GO TO ME. 8-)

Good joke, people started flipping shit when I came back to raid for a few days about whether the mount would go to "Someone who wasn't here the entire time and didn't put in as much time."

[jackslammer]

lol mounts