DKP

[Firecrest]

well, at least it's obvious now why you think wl shouldn't get full dkp but others do: the two sides have fundamentally different idea of what wl entails. it's not necessarily the case that one side is right and the other side is wrong, but someone or the guild as a whole should put a foot down somewhere and spell out what wl means.

I don't mind someone being on WL because they are B-Team quality, showed up late to raid or don't feel like grinding some boss for the whole night. I just don't think they should be rewarded the same as a good raider who shows up on time and actually DOES something.

If we were to work up some sort of rotation or good raiders were asked to sit to make room for a trial more than once in a blue moon, then I could give credence to a full WL DKP proposition. However, I know what kinds of people end up on WL - and that ain't it.

[Firecrest]

What would people think about doing away with the "per boss kill" portion of raid DKP awards and going to a full Timed Awards only method? This would eliminate the problems we have when a lot of content is on farm and Tuesdays are the only day any real DKP is given out.

The boss kill DKP made sense in BC when we were restructuring the raid after every fight, but I'm not so sure it's relevant anymore.

[Sanderz]

Perhaps you could give additional dkp for progression kills in addition to timed rewards. That would give more incentive to killing a new boss.

I wrote this post during alyses last post, but it still applies.

How about giving wl the full amount of dkp but do it per hour? Clear the list every hour too so people who don't get back on their accounts get only a fraction of the dkp for the night. This would allow people who want to leave for awhile to take a smaller penalty and it would give the raid a better idea of who is still available.

Loot council is better for raid effectiveness, but most people bitch about it because they are greedy. DKP hurts progress because theres always a couple of faggots passing on upgrades so they can get a trinket a month (or more) later. Both systems are flawed and it should be up to the guild as a whole to decide which one they want.

[Firecrest]

Perhaps you could give additional dkp for progression kills in addition to timed rewards. That would give more incentive to killing a new boss.

Yar. Progression kill awards make sense and, of course, there would still be the random Abecnormous DKP rewards for random Abechevements.

I wrote this post during alyses last post, but it still applies.

How about giving wl the full amount of dkp but do it per hour? Clear the list every hour too so people who don't get back on their accounts get only a fraction of the dkp for the night. This would allow people who want to leave for awhile to take a smaller penalty and it would give the raid a better idea of who is still available.

I really don't want WL to be a chore. For me or for the people on it. The purpose of WL is to quickly fill a void in the raid. To that end, all that should be required of someone on WL is that we can reach them if we need them and that they can swiftly join the raid afterwards. How they accomplish that is of minimal importance. Like I said, leave me your phone number and go play XBox for all I care.

I think that 3/4 WL DKP is a pretty fair and effective compromise, no? If we get into a LK situation (or really have any prolonged grind on any boss) and I'm giving out full DKP, what incentive is there for someone not to just show up 20 minutes late and get the same reward as the fools pulling their hair out with every wipe?

Loot council is better for raid effectiveness, but most people bitch about it because they are greedy. DKP hurts progress because theres always a couple of faggots passing on upgrades so they can get a trinket a month (or more) later. Both systems are flawed and it should be up to the guild as a whole to decide which one they want.

Truth. My vote is for DKP.

[Taytayz]

zero sum dkp or bust


but wait thats too hard

[mininolan]

Given that our current DKP table is out of date, to the point of irrelevance, it might be time for an adjustment. If we want to change anything about the way loot is handled for Cataclysm, now would be the time to discuss.

Loot council.

THORRAN GETS ALL THE DK LOOT, MININOLAN ALL THE MAGE LOOT.....end of issue

[ArchmageFurly in three days]

Given that our current DKP table is out of date, to the point of irrelevance, it might be time for an adjustment. If we want to change anything about the way loot is handled for Cataclysm, now would be the time to discuss.

Loot council.

THORRAN GETS ALL THE DK LOOT, MININOLAN ALL THE MAGE LOOT.....end of issue

Who says mininolan even has a spot?

[mininolan]

BABY JESUS SAYS SO

[Masex]

I didn't read most of the replies after mine and I don't even play anymore so my opinion is pretty much unimportant, but:

When I was raiding in BT/Sunwell, I sat a ton of times because we had 4+ raiding Mages. I was online every night, was sitting in vent, and ready to join given the invite. By doing this, I lost out several pieces of loot given to other players who either wouldn't sit out or were a more necessary class. (See: Warlock)


It's nothing to bitch about at the end of the day, but it was a little frustrating for me to let someone else have a night of raiding while basically deep dicking myself out of gear that I had put the time into earning.

[lawlerbation the hardcore squatter]

If we do loot council i better have a spot

i am the only person in this guild i can remember who even passed a major upgrade to someone else because their current item was a ton worse then mine.


also

im more inclined to just split up and focus on 10m instead of making 25m the main priority.

10m give the same loot, with every one having multiple alts should be retarded-ly easy to fill